Last month, industrial tycoon David Koch passed away. And it suddenly got everyone talking about the Koch brothers again. 

It got us thinking about them too — not just their role in politics, but about the company they built. Koch Industries is one of the most influential energy and industrial firms in the world, but very few people know anything about the company. The way the Kochs have stealthily built their industrial empire tells us a lot about their approach to conservative politics. 

This week, we have an interview with Christopher Leonard, author of a new book, Kochland: The Secret History of Koch Industries and Corporate Power in America.

With David and Charles Koch back in the public spotlight, we’re talking with Christopher about their business practices, libertarian philosophies, and influence on politics.

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