Not long ago, energy nerds were pondering the feasibility of 20 percent renewables on the electric grid. Now we're long past that.

Today, the conversation is centered around 100 percent renewables economy-wide -- thanks largely to a body of work developed by Stanford Professor Mark Jacobson and his colleagues. Since 2009, he's argued that 100 percent renewables is not only feasible, it's desirable.

But as the stakes get higher, the debate gets more intense. Jacobson has picked up many high-profile supporters -- but he's also picked up a lot of critics, who believe his work is faulty and shortsighted.

That criticism came to a head last month when a group of researchers published a lengthy rebuttal to one of Jacobson's 100 percent renewable scenarios. The internet exploded with points and counterpoints and counter-counterpoints.

In this episode, we feature a lengthy interview with Jacobson. He responds directly to criticisms of the paper, sheds light on his modeling methodology, and talks about the role of his work in setting energy policy. 

This podcast is brought to you by Wunder Capital, an award-winning investment platform that allows you to invest directly in solar projects and earn up to 8.5 percent annually. Create an account for free at

Additional reading: