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Electric Vehicle Panel: Tesla, KP, Coda, Bright and Aptera

While Kanellos is in Frankfurt, scoping out Electric Vehicles and hanging out with Lamborghinis and models, I'm listening to panels at the Always On Going Green summit. Late Tuesday we heard from a great selection of EV makers and investors in a panel on "Smart Sustainable Automobiles."    

Frank Markus, Technical Editor, Motor Trend Magazine was the moderator of a session that tried to answer questions such as:

• What design is destined to be the car of the future? Extended range EV with onboard ICE generators?
• All electric quick-charge vehicles?
• EVs with battery-swap capabilities? Clean biodiesels?  Hydrogen fuel cell powered cars?
• All of the above?

The panelists represented a wide range of auto startups, from utilitarian vehicles to luxury, "zero trade-off" cars. Here are some of the panelists' comments:

Trae Vassallo, Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers addressed the hydrogen question.

• "No on hydrogen" and fuel cell cars – "not for a while."
• "The big obstacle is the battery. There is no silver bullet."
• "I personally like an electric drive train – it's just inherently more efficient."
• KP wanted to unvest in a "zero tradeoff car."
• Included in the KP transportation portfolio is the beautifully styled Fisker Karma. 

Kevin Czinger, CEO, Coda Automotive

• Coda is in a $200 million JV with Lishen battery, China's main state-owned rechargeable battery company and has teamed with a Chinese chassis maker.
• "Our approach to is accelerate the adoption of EVs. In order to have an EV industry, you have to have an auto grade battery system – manufactured at scale."
• "We are going to be close to competitive on day one with internal combustion vehicles."
• "If you're not under $500 per kWh – you're not going to be competitive"
• "We expect to deliver mass volume in the Fall of next year at a price close to $30,000 with incentives"
• "We 100 percent believe that lithium-ion phosphate can have a long long life as a battery chemistry."

Paul Wilbur, CEO, Aptera

• Aptera builds the stylish composite-bodied, three-wheeled Aptera. Aptera "doesn't want to be in the battery business."
• "We don't think the chemistries today are the long term solutions," said Wilbur, adding,  "We rather focus on the physics of the car – weight and aerodynamics"
• A Chevy Volt is going to weigh 3000 to 3500 pounds versus 1,800 pounds for the Aptera.
• The CEO claimed that the Aptera's 0.15 coeff of drag is the best in the world and that the Aptera contains the smallest battery pack of any EV in the world.  The vehicle has three wheels to improve aerodynamics.

Reuben Munger, Chairman, Bright Automotive

• "The cheapest way to buy range is with the internal combustion engine."
• Bright is trying to combine a plug in hybrid architecture with an ICE  and use as little battery as possible in the near term.
• What's Bright had doen is look at the least efficient vehicle – the delivery and service van where customers are getting 10 mpg driving 50 miles a day.
• "It's really about economics – focused on the buyer looking to save money today."

JB Straubel, CTO, Tesla Motors

• "We are vertically integrated around power train technology."
• A key approach from the beginning was to not be involved in battery chemistry.  Sourcing high-performance and cost-effective cells has, "allowed us to be cost effective."
• "We are open to a battery swapping architecture but quick charge will be the nearer term solution." Battery swap is challlenged by the lack of uniform battery design.

EV Round Up: Tesla, ZAP, Zenn, EEStor, Etc.

Listed EV firms

Clare Ondrey, one of Greentech Media's inside stalwarts, somehow got me volunteered to speak at something called The MoneyShow in San Francisco a few weekends ago. It was an unusual event for me – more a retail stock picker show than a renewable energy / technology event, filled with regular citizens looking for info on which stock to invest in. I restricted my comments to market trends and technology and let the speculators make their own stock bets. We don't recommend particular stocks at Greentech Media.

The topic of batteries and electric vehicles was clearly on the mind of these astute investors – and they wanted to invest in EVs. But the problem is that there are no EV firms that trade on the NASDAQ or the Amex (Maybe Tesla can change that soon). The only publicly traded EV firms are on the backwater bourses of the OTC BB and pink sheets. These companies are tightly held, thinly traded and have, let's say, less transparency and more relaxed reporting requirements compared to their SEC-overseen brethren.

Anyway, here's a list of publicly traded EV firms:

Zenn Motors is thinly traded on the TSX-V exchange in Canada. Zenn is small despite its' bluster with revenue of $379,916 in its most recent quarter and losses of about $2.5 million for the quarter.  (Amounts in Canadian dollars).  Zenn generates considerable controversy and bloggage with its 10.7 percent ownership of ultracapacitor lightning rod startup EEStor (hi, Ed).  Zenn builds 100 percent electric vehicles. The spec sheet on the 2009 Zenn claims a base price of about $17,000 and 280mpg.  Despite mpg being a questionable spec for an EV. 

ZAP, like all of these publicly traded EV companies, loses money. It lost $2.5 million on sales of $769,000 in their most recent quarter.  ZAP offers a wide number of models of electric trucks, vehicles, and scooters on its website. But it's difficult to ascertain which of these products are real and deliverable. According to a recent article in Wired, ZAP's management is prone to, um, overpromising and underdelivering.

UQM Technologies builds components for EVs and lost $648,000 on sales of $2.1 million. It builds motor and controller systems for EVs and has contracts with the military and with commercial customers.

EV Innovations loses money and claims to be "a concept and brand development corporation in the field of alternative-fuel automobiles, motorcycles, scooters, and bicycles, and alternative-fuel products."  Whatever a concept and brand development corporation is.  The artist renditions of their many cars are presumably powered by artist renditions of lithium-ion batteries.

Leo Motors is an OTC front for Leozone, a Korean EV company that allegedly uses "12th generation lithium polymer cell" battery technology.  The Korean connection might prove lucrative as the site shows Korean police and military EV designs.

EV Quotes, Drag Racing, Autotune

• “No one is going to pay a $15,000 premium for a car that competes with a Corolla. So there are not enough idiots who will buy it." said Johan de Nysschen, president of Audi of America. He called the the Chevy plug-in hybrid “a car for idiots.”

• Joe Biden (auto-tuned) on Made in USA EV batteries.  

• Tesla quarter mile in 12.64 seconds, an EV record.