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Geothermal From GreenFire: The Lowest Cost Energy (+ CCS)

"CO2-G [CO2 Geothermal] is projected to have the lowest cost of any form of energy and is the only source of energy that permanantly sequesters carbon."

Those are the words of Mark Muir, co-founder of GreenFire Energy, a startup with an innovative twist on geothermal energy. 

Conventional geothermal energy entails tapping a heat source at relatively shallow depths and capturing the heat as steam to turn a turbine. Enhanced Geothermal Systems (EGS) create geothermal energy in hot dry rock by sending pressurized water down an injection well. Water travels through fissures, capturing the heat of the rock when it is forced out of a second well as hot water, which is then converted into electricity via a steam turbine or a binary power plant.  The cooled water is sent back into the earth to heat up again.

GreenFire dispenses with the water and instead uses carbon dioxide as the geothermal "feedstock."

"Geothermal ends up with the lowest cost – but conventional geothermal has big cooling towers and pumps. Hopefully we can get away from all that," adds Muir.

He projects that Carbon Dioxide Geothermal (CO2-G) can have a lower LCOE than any other scalable form of energy.

According to the CEC (California Energy Commission), there are 43 operating geothermal power plants with an installed capacity of about 1,750 megawatts in California, almost two-thirds of the United States' 3 gigawatts of geothermal generation. Geothermal energy production in the U.S. is a $1.4 billion industry – far bigger than the U.S. solar market.  And unlike solar, geothermal power is baseload power – available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Iceland gets over a quarter of its electricity from geothermal sources.



GreenFire's CO2 can come from natural sources or from the emissions of coal plants.

One of the largest natural deposits of CO2 is located in the the St. Johns Dome, a region extending across Arizona and New Mexico. It is a perfect site for GreenFire because it has the CO2 resource, a thermal reservoir, access to transmission lines and there are two power plants right at the dome and four more within a 200-mile radius. GreenFire is in a joint venture with Enhanced Oil Resources, the company with the leases to the CO2.

So, in addition to producing low-cost geothermal power, CO2-G can actually find a use for the carbon captured from coal plants.

This is important. Coal provides 50 percent of the U.S.'s electricity and according to EPRI, The Electric Power Research Institute – coal is here to stay. EPRI predicts that coal will continue to dominate our electrical production. But in order to meet any carbon legislation, it's going to have to be coal with carbon capture and sequestration (CCS). 

The U.S. DOE will be making $55 million available to develop advanced carbon capture technologies at existing power plants. An economical technology for CCS has not yet emerged. 

Although not involved in reducing the cost of carbon capture, Greenfire believes they can save up to $25 per ton in total CCS costs (which are predicted to be in the range of $40 to $80 per ton once the process becomes commercial). The energy for for carbon capture could be a third of the plant's output. CO2-G essentially provides the power for the Carbon Capture.

We covered available CCS technologies such as membranes, solvents, solid sorbents and condensed-phase capture in an article earlier this year.  

GreenFire has the option of harvesting the kinetic energy from the wellhead. Since CO2 expands much more than water – it creates a highly pressurized situation.  That expansion's kinetic energy can be harnessed by a new type of energy transducer, the "free piston linear alternator," from the likes of Greenwell Renewable Power.

GreenFire is a small company and is looking for funding.  Muir estimates that he'll need about five years and substantial backing to put together a demonstration site. "It's not inconceivable for the money to come from smart VCs" but the likely source would be funding from the coal industry, "because its a matter of life and death in a carbon constrained world," according to Muir. 

Muir estimates that 5 percent of the world's coal plants might be eligible for the GreenFire CCS technique.

Comments [7]

  • GeothermalEng 10/27/09 6:38 PM

    Appears that GreenFire has a complete disregard for physics and previous research.

    Many people in the conventional geothermal industry have researched EGS systems with CO2 as the working fluid (EGS-CO2) over the past 10 years, and there are many papers published addressing the feasibility of such a technology.

    The idea of negating the thermal portion of the energy, and simply using the kinetic energy is laughable. If you expand the CO2 from a liquid to a gas you will have to compress it again to reinject the CO2 . There will be no net gain in energy with this proposed system.

    The standard EGS-CO2 system extracts the thermal energy from the CO2 to run a steam turbine. The major problem with this system, which GreenFire is probably unaware of, is the acidification of CO2 at supercritical conditions with water. The acid will eat away the wells, the cement, and anything else the produced fluids come in contact with. It is impossible to have a ‘dry’ reservoir where only CO2 is present. This is THE hurdle noone has been able to overcome.

    In theory EGS-CO2 is a very enticing theoretical solution to the worlds energy/CO2 emission problems, but it has simply been proven an impractical solution in practice.

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      • GreenFire techie 10/28/09 11:49 AM

        GeothermEng is taking a pretty simplistic approach to his criticism.  Fortunately, GreenFire has thought through the problems associated with CO2-EGS (we call it CO2G) more deeply than he has.  To begin with, we are certainly aware of the acidity of CO2/water mixtures.  For that reason, we are not planning to expand that corrosive mixture through the generator turbines; rather, we will use a binary system. What about corrosion in the heat exchanger, then?  Well, for some time now, oil companies have been using CO2 for tertiary recovery and find that commercially-available additives keep the corrosion to an acceptable level.  We plan to use those additives also.
        We also understand the laws of thermodynamics.  GeothermEng’s criticism about recompression of CO2 is perfectly correct – in a closed system.  But a CO2G system is not closed:  the addition of geothermal heat gives net energy input to the system and allows extraction of energy from the system while still compressing and reinjecting the CO2 without violating the laws of thermodynamics.

        Finally, to say that CO2G has been attempted and failed reminds me of G.K.Chesterton’s famous quote about Christianity.  To paraphrase a bit:  “CO2G has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.”  GreenFire is determined to make an intelligent, informed, sensible attempt to make CO2G work – and we intend to succeed.

  • StevePluvia 10/28/09 9:06 AM

    @GeoEng:  You’re so critical.  The technology is fully supported by a PowerPoint that includes color graphs AND charts.

    “Appears that GreenFire has a complete disregard for physics and previous research.”

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  • GreenFire techie 10/28/09 10:53 AM

    Actually, GreenFire is fully aware of the acidity of CO2/water mixtures and does not plan to expand that corrosive mixture through turbines.  Rather, we want to use binary systems where the CO2 never meets the turbines.  Of course, we will have to use some of the additives already on the market to deal with the acidity in the heat exchanger. 
    And we are actually aware of the laws of thermodynamics with respect to expanding and condensing CO2.  GeothermalEng is neglecting the fact that we are not dealing with a closed system here; in that case, his comments would be correct.  Rather, the input of energy at depth in the form of geothermal heat allows the entire system to give net energy capture at the surface - even if the CO2 is compressed and re-injected. 

    GeothermalEng’s comments remind me of G.K.Chesterton’s famous comment on Christianity; to paraphrase:  “CO2-EGS has not been tried and rejected; it has simply been found difficult and not tried.”

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      • StevePluvia 10/28/09 12:18 PM

        GreenFire Techie: So I guess you’re also aware of the extensive MIT retrospective report that examines the maaaany pitfalls of Enhanced Geothermal Systems (EGS)?  To paraphrase some really smart guy:

        CO2 EGS is not a problem looking for a solution, its a theory filled with so many known problems it is highly unlikely it will ever find a solution.

  • Paul 11/8/09 1:03 AM

    Since this is a closed loop of stuffing CO2 into the ground and then getting it back out again, (and repeat), how is it possibly acting as any type of sequestration?

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      • GF-RB 11/10/09 7:19 PM

        Very good question, Paul.  Once injected, some of the CO2 escapes the subsurface reservoir and diffuses into the surrounding rock formation where it is permanently stored - estimates range from 5% to 40% on an annual basis, and this is one of the many pieces of the puzzle that requires some R&D.  As a result, in order to keep the system running for long periods of time, external sources of CO2 must be added as “make-up” CO2; therefore, the amount that diffuses into the formation is effectively sequestered so long as we choose a rock formation that has a sufficient geologic cap or “seal.”  At our current location, we know we have this as the formation not only stores CO2 at present, but also a large quantity of helium.  Therefore, if this technolgy proves successful, it will allow CO2 to be an energy-generating ingredient in a sequestration process rather than just being a sequestered waste stream.  We know we have challenges to overcome, as does any new technology, yet after an extensive global search, we believe we have selected the optimal location to give this technolgy a try and given the potential benefits, we believe this technology deserves an opportunity.

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