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Jeff St. John | December 17, 2008 at 9:19 AM 7 Comments

Geoengineering to Fight Climate Change Still More Dream Than Reality

The idea of pumping sulfur into the stratosphere to cut down on the sunlight hitting the earth — and curbing global warming — is one that’s been around for decades.

In 2006, it came to public attention when Paul Crutzen, the atmospheric chemist who won a Nobel Prize for his work on ozone depletion, said it might be an "escape route" means of dealing with out-of-control global warming.

But the idea is still far from becoming a practical reality, a panel of scientists at the American Geophysical Union's fall meeting in San Francisco said Wednesday.

The problems with “geoengineering" a cooler planet aren’t just limited to the massive engineering efforts that would be required to lift tens of million of tons of particles into the high atmosphere via plane or balloon, said Richard Turco, professor with the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of California at Los Angeles.

It’s also limited by the lack of scientific understanding of how the processes involved would work, he said. Most research into the concept has involved using sulfur — after all, the major climate changes caused by massive volcanic eruptions like those of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991, which pumped about 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere, have given scientists real-world data to draw from.

But what would happen if humans put huge amounts of sulfur dioxide or hydrogen sulfide gas into the atmosphere isn’t yet understood, Turco said. Variables such as how the gas would interact with oxygen at those altitudes to form particles — a big question as to whether the gas would form particles light enough to stay afloat — still are open to question, he said.

Outlining experiments into the question, Turco said that models show that “you have many particles that are small and growing, you have many particles that have reached the optimum size and you have many particles that are larger than the optimum size. … In the real world, you’re going to have a highly variable situation."

“Experiments, I think that’s fine," he said. “But having a practical solution based on all this variability and uncertainty" is a risky proposition, he said.

That’s not even counting the costs of doing it, which “could literally approach tens of trillions of dollars over the times this would have to be done, which is a couple of centuries at least," Turco said.

“You’d have to construct a whole new fleet of aircraft that aren’t even designed" yet, he said. “Moreover, you’d have to have an observational system to monitor what’s going on that’s comparable to out entire weather monitoring system on earth."

Still, more research into geoengineering is a good idea, given the scope of the climate change problem facing mankind, said David Keith, a professor with the Energy & Environmental Systems Group at the University of Calgary in Canada.

Even if we stopped [greenhouse gas] emissions instantly today — which would require a global nuclear war or something — we still have enough CO2 in the atmosphere that it’s possible we will have unacceptable levels of climate" change, he said. “And of course, we’re not going to stop today."

Given the enormous costs of reducing greenhouse gas emissions — up to $2 trillion a year, he said — and the uncertainty that starting to do so today won’t be too late to forestall climate change, geoengineering needs to come “out of the shadows and into the scientific mainstream," he said.

Keith said he envisioned research programs in the range of “$10 million class efforts" to do more computer modeling of how the processes would work, as well as a few small-scale, real-world experiments.

Still, “Nothing short of doing it will tell you what the long-scale" effects would be the final test, he said.

Comments [7]

  • Bob 12/17/08 12:27 PM

    Human caused ozone depletion was a myth and scientific fraud as is global warming.

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  • G.R.L. Cowan, H2 energy fan 'til ~1996 12/18/08 1:52 AM

    Sulphate dusting is a SACTCAR approach; it does nothing to correct ocean acidification. Like all the lead articles I’ve seen, St. John’s ignores the BTRO approaches involving very abundant alkaline earth silicate minerals such as dunite and peridotite. These are always turning CO2 into carbonate rock and bicarbonate ion. It is easier to accelerate this process by pulverizing large amounts of rock and exposing it to CO2-laden air or seawater than to pursue other solutions.

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  • G.R.L. Cowan, H2 energy fan 'til ~1996 12/18/08 5:34 AM

    Even liver flukes and hookworms have to live, although I could never see why.

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  • bg 12/18/08 2:05 AM

    Thanks, Bob, for that astute statement backed up by cited scientific sources.  You have move this discussion forward infinitely…

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  • Brad Arnold 12/18/08 10:54 PM

    “The alternative (to geoengineering) is the acceptance of a massive natural cull of humanity and a return to an Earth that freely regulates itself but in the hot state.”—Dr James Lovelock, August 2008

    “The Greens’ resistance to geo-engineering sits very uncomfortably with its message that the planet is screwed and we’re all going to die. It suggests that Environmentalism has less to do with saving the planet than it does with reining in human aspirations. It suggests that they don’t actually believe their own press releases, and that they know the situation is not as dire as they would like the rest of us to think it is. And that Environmentalists are cutting off their noses to spite their faces - “we’ll save the planet our way or not at all.” It suggests that Environmentalists regard science and engineering as the cause of problems, and not the solution.”—Climate Resistance, 24 March 2008

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  • Bob 12/22/08 8:04 AM

    OK I will add to your scientific knowledge.  The alarmists are defending their climate Scientology religion.  Facts never get in the way when ALGORE and his disciples hand down tablets of phony knowledge.  Don J. Easterbrook, Ph.D., emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University, asked, “What does it take to ignore 10 years of global cooling, sharply declining temperatures the last couple of years, record setting lack of sun spots . . . failure of computer models to predict real climate, predictable warming and cooling climates for the past 500 years. The answer is really quite simple — just follow the money!”  I worked with geologists for many years reconstructing paleoclimates from lake cores.  Those of us whom make our money from honest science are appalled at how the charlatans and conmen are hustling the system so the politicians can claim more of our liberty to fight a problem that does not exist. 
    There is no such thing as consensus in science.  It must be a proven scientific fact, a theory or a hypothesis to be tested.  We don’t vote; we do reproducible experiments and research.  The proponents of global warming base everything on their models, which when given 1960 data cannot predict today’s temperatures.  They have created a phony money machine.

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  • Chris Long 09/3/09 6:29 PM

    So thousands of scientists and thoughtful people are wrong, what’s the downside?
    We made the air clean, healthy and breathable.
    We decentralized our energy suppliers (improving national security in the process).
    We reduced the need for expensive transportation and transmission of petroleum and electricity.
    We replaced coal geneneration with wind and solar and eliminated all the related toxic byproducts that contaminate air and water.
    We avoided having to fight wars to protect domestic prosperity.
    But we didn’t have to do it because global warming is a hoax.
    What is the downside agian, please remind me?
    On the other hand, if it is not a hoax and we do nothing and refuse to take responsibility, then what?

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