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Michael Kanellos 06 04 09, 4:24 PM

Better Place Completes 1,000 Battery Swaps, Plus the Economic Pain of Electric Cars

Technically speaking, the battery swap machinery devised by Better Place is working well.

Jason Wolf, vice president of the electric charging station company, told an audience at the Smart Grid Innovation Symposium that the company has swapped the battery in and out of a prototype electric car in Japan 1,000 times now without any flaws or problems. The battery is swapped by machines and not humans – it weighs about 400 pounds, after all.

Some of the questions surrouding the company, however, have to deal more with the economics than the technical aspects. We won't know the answer to the more practical questions for years, but it's an interesting subject to debate. One audience member asked whether consumers would accept battery swapping. What if the new one doesn't work as the first battery they had?

Not a problem, said Wolf. Better Place owns the batteries and therefore assumes that risk. If you don't like the performance of a battery, you just swap it out. 

"You don't care about the mileage on the battery because you dont' own it," he siad. "That [battery mileage and health] is more of a problem for the owner of a Tesla."

Owning the battery, though, will require Better Place, a relatively small company, to shoulder a huge financial burden. Electric car batteries might cost $12,000 to $25,000 each. Thus, if the company has 100,000 customers, it needs to own $1.2 to $2.5 billion worth of batteries. 100,000 cars is not that many. 400,000 new cars get sold in the Bay Area alone each year. If 10 million Better Place vehicles were to hit the road, that would mean owning $120 to $250 billion in batteries. Hmmmm. Might make more financial sense to buy something cheaper and less likely to be stolen and dismantled, like the state of New Hampshire.

How quickly will the conversion to electric cars take place? It's hard to say. In 1900, only around 42 percent of the cars ran on fossil fuels. Most of the rest ran on electricity or steam. The declining price and better performance of petroleum made it the winner in just a few years. By the late 1920s, electric was dead. That's pretty quick, and argues that a significant technological shift could occur before our eyes.

On the other hand, the car industry was new then. It is now an established business that grows much more slowly. Micah Myers at Claremont Creek Ventures researched electric cars at a previous job. He said that the vehicle base only turns over about six percent a year. Even if every new car bought were electric, it would take 20 years to go all electric. "That's not going to happen. It is a 40, 50 year problem," he said.

Then again, policy initiatives could drive sales. Denmark charges a tax at registration of 180 percent of the price of a car, says Lars Beer Nielsen, the technology attache for Innovation Center Denmark. Electric cars are exempt for the next few years. Thus, a $40,000 car costs $112,000. That means a Tesla Roadster costs as much as a low-end Acura.

Comments

  • C 06/4/09 5:39 PM

    The issue for me isn’t the economics for Better Place. It’s a design issue. To build a car with an easily swappable battery is a significant challenge and design constraint. Don’t let anyone convince you it’s easy. And it will add cost, size and weight to the car, versus tightly integrating the battery into the car (connectors, housings, safety features, etc.). Add to that the constraint of making them work with Better Place’s swapping system. Making electric cars is hard enough without adding those extra requirements. I don’t think car companies are going to want to do it. And easily swappable also means easily steal-able.

    It just doesn’t seem like a smart scheme. I do like the idea of leasing the battery separately, and then having an end-of-life use for them outside of the car. But the thought that I’m going to swap these things out every couple of days seems just ridiculous.

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  • Hadleigh Reid 06/5/09 6:52 AM

    But for the majority of people they will hardly ever need to swap the battery.  I would only need to charge once a week.  It’s simply there to deal with range limitation for like 5% of people who need it.

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  • Michael Kanellos 06/5/09 10:25 AM

    I agree with both of you. That’s why I think we can have electric cars without charging stations for a good ten plus years. The swap is also an expensive way to solve a problem that can be done cheaply. Namely, use a gas car on those days you need to go 100 miles. The car maker can give you a free coupon for Hertz. Beats owning 2 billion in batteries.

    A few months ago when I suggested swaps were a bit ornate, I got heavily criticized. interesting that others are skeptical

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      • Jason Wolf 06/5/09 11:59 AM

        Although I can understand the concern with the large investment needed, I’d like to point out two points that might help this discussion:
        1. Reaching mass adoption of EV’s means going after broad segments of the driving market, and not only early adopters willing to compromise on range and comfort.
        2. The capital required is tied to people subscribing to the EV service, and thus these batteries provide great recurring and stable annuities of revenues that are very interesting to investors.

        A good industry to compare this to is the mobile phone industry, and how very expensive cell-towers can be deployed en-mass and provide service to many thousands of subscribers.

  • C 06/5/09 11:44 AM

    A lot of people are skeptical Michael. You definitely aren’t the only one. And to Hadleigh, the swapping stations will only be economical if everyone uses them - a lot. The idea of building an entire infrastructure like that and burdening the car with the extras it needs for swappability for only 5% usage is crazy.

    There will ultimately be fast charging technology and energy storage that can handle it.

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  • Pepe Porras 06/5/09 2:05 PM

    Better Place business model is basically binding you to a monthly subscription plan for several years in exchange to have access to subsidized cars and to their charging network. Basically, you can charge your Batter Place battery at home (through their adaptor), at public spaces and finally swapping the battery when needed (once in a while).

    Why their interest in batteries? They are expensive, have some risk of degradation and a huge risk of obsolescence. But it is the only single means to retain you in the system for years with no other choice except paying monthly plan. Once you have made the downpayment for the car (without batteries), you could only be with them, as if you want the car to run you can only use their privative battery and charging system. Basically you make a downpayment for an expensive car frame, and if you want to drive you can only use them at the price they set.

    They are trying to exploit the consumer natural trend to put a lot of attention on downpayment (they subsidize it), and not so much on operating cost. Obviously they are not subsidizing anything. You will pay for the subsidized car and for the full battery, on your monthly plan. And you will use a similar model of battery until it is fully amortized (if not, BP would have to bear a loss due to early amortization).
    What will be the difference with a normal electric car purchased from an automaker? Only that with BP you can swap battery in the rare exceptions you will go for a trip further than 100miles. The rest is exactly the same, as you will be recharging at home or at work (with their adaptor or plug) with both systems, and the automaker guarantee will cover the battery.  It is worth for a consumer to be trapped on a monthly scheme for just having once in a while the need to go further than 100 miles? My impression is that battery developments will leave this business model obsolete in less than 5 years.

    Without taking into consideration technical challenges (standards, fast-charging, longer range batteries, etc.), customer behavior, other competitors actions,etc. I have assumed that everything will work fine in the best possible scenario ($8 a gallon of gas and $10k government subsidy to new electric car purchases) and I have run the numbers for Israel project (for which we have a good aproximation of infraestructure costs given by Better Place) taking into account the most favourable assumptions. Main assumptions have been: Price of batteries ($15,000) reduces 3x in 10 years, batteries last 7.5 years, price to consumer is $0.25 per mile (this is high, given that they have shown in some presentations $0.08 per mile), amortization life of 5-9 years for batteries and 25yrs for infraestructure, SG&A 20% and no other cost, 10% extra capacity for swapping stations, the company is selling 25% of the energy in the whole fleet batteries, which is wind electricity paid at 6cents, at peak hour prices of at least 10cents.

    The required investment (including batteries and infrastructure and excluding cars) for a potential 300,000 users in Israel in ten years is about $4.1 billion. First net profit ($17 million) is not seen until Year 2019. The burden of operative profit is taken by amortization of batteries (and partially infrastructure). In sum the company would breakeven minimum until 2025-2030. Mr. Agassi has stated that with 20,000 users he will break even, but it makes no sense at all. How BP got $200 million in seed capital from VCs, having this financial profile and the huge list of technological and competitive risks? No clue.

    I have tried to listen without passion to BP speakers. They speak about big concepts, nice ideas, exploiting the side of everybody that wants to help and be useful to the world. But a deeper analysis of the company shows:
    -  They do not provide but not a single number to substantiate their concepts from an economic point of view, and the ones they provide are skewed (the infrastructure only costs 2 months of oil, 6% mor energy needed, they always use the most favourable scenarios, not the average)
    -  No information about prices and plans at all (they are launching in a year!)
    -  No information about financials: breakeven, total investment, profit, or anything

    In the other hand, I don’t think car manufacturers will renounce to make money with batteries (sales or leasing), or that electric utilities will give up such a juicy electric business.

    My only conclussion is that Better Place:
    -  Has obtained exclusive rights for electric car network for at least 20 years. Is trying to set a privative network before others do so and then remain as the network owner and operator
    -  has or is assuming to have huge subsidies
    -  Is trying to gain momentum and capital and later will decide how to continue
    -  Pursues other geostrategic objectives different than business
    -  Is forcing its possition as intermediary when it is not really needed

    Don’t get me wrong. I believe that electric car is a solution, but I don’t agree on the way they want to implement it. I don’t feel that privative systems (or monopoly), based on a technology that evolves really fast, are a solution. My opinion is that plug-in hybrids or range-extended electric vehicles (which have a much better economic profile without the drawbacks of infrastructure or range) will help to develop a charging system, to diseminate the idea of electricity in cars and will gradually reduce the oil burden. Later in the game, electric cars, with better batteries and a charging system in place, will be ready to occupy their position.
    My forecast: Better Place will evolve to be the owner/operator of the electric car charging network, being paid a tariff by the government or having a model more close to the current gas station network (recharge and pay).
    I would be really happy to share thoughts with people that look at the electric car sector with more logic and financial sense than passion.

    Best,

    Pepe Porras

    Pepe Porras

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  • Pepe Porrasca 06/6/09 10:50 AM

    Dear Jason Wolf,

    If you want mass market transition to EVs, do it through plug-in hybrids (which basically is a standard EV with a small ICE when turns on when batteries are depleted). In fact, for daily commuting you will be using a pure electric vehicle that you charge every night at home. Only when you have to travel long-distance, you use the ICE engine. People would keep using and paying the car the same way they do right now, and it would be a smoother transition (and at a lower cost for consumer).When battery technology is improved (majority of cleantech investments are going to this field), then we will jump fully into BEVs, with long-range batteries and fast charging.

    The difference in the scheme is simple: BP does get nothing from an smoother transition with PHEVs. For BP to benefit, it must be a radical transition based on BP’s standards, forcing it as the gatekeeper, basically configuring a monopoly. I hope more and more people realize that when someone comes to you presenting as your “savior”, you should always check that your wallet is still in your pocket.

    Best,

    Pepe Porras


    Better Place scheme

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