Vinod Khosla: Smart Grid Hard to Invest In and Win

Green VC Vinod Khosla doesn’t see most smart grid investments paying out, unless they can get ahead of the ‘me-too’ solutions to the grid’s problems.

Vinod Khosla isn't afraid of predicting bad outcomes for industries he hasn't invested in – and his venture capital firm, Khosla Ventures, hasn't publicly invested in any smart grid companies (see Green Light posts here and here).

Not that Khosla doesn't see potential for big returns for some innovative smart grid companies. Just take Silver Spring Networks, the successful smart grid networking startup - and potential IPO candidate – that's backed by Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the VC firm with which Khosla is a team member.

But success won't come to companies that copy others, he said. And beyond the ideas of energy saving technologies that consumers are going to take to like they've taken to Facebook, or a cost-effective solution to grid energy storage, Khosla said he sees "lot of fluff, a lot of ambiguity, not a lot of reality" in today's smart grid discussions.

"Just because one smart grid company is successful doesn't create a wave," he said, speaking of Silver Spring. "They've been working at it for a long time. Hiding behind that wave is the wrong thing to do. Trying to do what they've done slightly better is not the right way to build a company."

Rather, "Finding a new area, where the economics works for you, and where you can have the lead, does make sense," he said (See Silver Spring vs. Grid Net: Now vs. The Future).

Furthermore, Khosla said he worries that the smart grid, as he conceives it, is built on the idea of solving other technology problems, rather than an economically sound investment in its own right.

For example, "We want low carbon electricity, so we invent renewable power... and PG&E says they can't handle wind - they've said this - because it's too destabilizing in their network," he said. That's referring to the fact that wind turbines produce uneven amounts of power that vary with the wind, making it hard for utilities such as Pacific Gas & Electric to manage (see GridWeek: Chu Lays Out DOE's Smart Grid Visions, Standards to Come).

"So what do we do? We say, let's buy batteries - batteries are too expensive," he said. That has led to utilities saying that electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles to come will need smart grid systems to manage their charging, and use the batteries within for energy storage, someday – and that managing those plug-in vehicle batteries will require the smart grid, he said (see Green Light post and Electric Vehicles Could Surpass Grid or Support It).

"Now you've built a house of cards, with each technology being increasingly uneconomic, just to make that happen," he said.

Khosla implied that cost-effective energy storage could knock the cards down, so to speak, in that equation. He did not address whether or not such storage technologies will themselves need a host of smart grid communications and information technologies to manage them, however.

As for whether or not renewable power needed a smart grid to help manage its intermittent nature, "I would venture that the cleanest power will not be solar, it will be coal," he said.

Khosla said that could be done by Calera, a company he's backed which promises to capture carbon dioxide from coal-fired power plants and convert it into cement – a technology claim that's come under some criticism (see Green Light post).

7 Comments

  • Sarah Miller 11/19/09 8:18 PM

    Vinod flew over the cookoo’s nest a long time ago.  Jeff, with all respect to your otherwise solid reporting—I don’t think anyone actually cares what Vinod Kholsa has to say.

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  • JoeJoe 11/19/09 8:19 PM

    Awwww… you cut out the best part of the interview where he talked about his collection of baby seal skin caps…

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  • StevePluvia 11/20/09 10:37 AM

    I’m starting a pool to guess the date Khosla Ventures blows up.  The winner receives a custom deck of Vinod house building cards made of terms sheets from the 97 bankrupt companies owned by the firm…

    “Now you’ve built a house of cards, with each technology being increasingly uneconomic, just to make that happen,” he said.

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  • Nigel 11/20/09 12:19 PM

    When Khosla speaks, I always wait for the sound of the toilet flushing…

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  • Ben 11/20/09 1:45 PM

    I’m so glad the other commentators share my opinion about Vinod - I thought it was just me who sees that he has been dead wrong about every major trend in greentech since day one.  Even if Silver Springs does get to IPO, it will because of the hype that Khosla and KPCB have put behind it - the company effectively is little more than a glorified NIC card maker.  As to why Khosla’s still quoted so frequently… Jeff (and colleagues), please let us hear from investors that have (or may someday) make money in clean tech.  And that would also exclude Doerr and the rest of the KPCB guys who sunk a bunch of money into Fisker and then sent Al Gore to D.C. to beg for a $500m bailout.  Nice investment strategy, Kleiner.

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  • James Macnaghten 11/21/09 1:12 PM

    Sorry to disagree with the majority opinion and I am not up on the success of his portfolio, but in this respect i think Vinod is spot on. The whole smart grid is driven by the non-availability of a cheap energy storage option. If one was available you would not have to worry about trying to change the way we use things. One thing I have learnt in life is that people always resist change that is imposed upon them. Large cheap energy stores at a grid level would mean that you could integrate renewables and keep the grid operating in a business as usual fashion. Everyone is expecting the smart grid to solve this problem, but who has actually controlled millions of individual units in different locations to balance national power requirements before - this is not the simple operation it is portrayed as.

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  • Solar Investor 11/25/09 4:41 AM

    Khosla is the PT Barnum of Cleantech. His ceaseless promotion grows weary when time and again he has backed smoke and mirrors over engineering and science. His view that CCS can make coal cleaner than solar is deranged.  The collapse of Ausra was no surprised given obvious ( to everyone but VK) difficiency of direct steam system. His black swan fund raising pitch is a joke to drawn attention from the contnuous string of predictable failures but it’s inexcusable to piss on technolgies outside of his own portfolio as he did in this interview

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